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>> recoverable in the since of recovering? absolutely >> we intend to have this patient walk out of this hospital and we do everything we can to make that happen. >> >> can you speak to the capacity to handle patients like [inaudible] first of all, let me talk about this particular. remarks torict my the national institutes of health special clinical studies unit. here is a research hospital. the primary purpose that we always put is the patient's
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welfare. associate it with that, we do what ever research to teach us more to help other patients. although she is on a research protocol, our main concern is the health and recovery of nina. reporter: [inaudible] again i'mell you sorry. she came here at 11:54. all of us have been up all night . we haven't learned a lot about the virus yet. we're taking care of the patient. are there experimental drugs? the think everything is on table to be able to consider. this will always be done. we do this at all times with all of our patients that whenever an experimental drug is given, it is given with express consent of the patient if it turned out
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that way. >> do you feel there should be an ebola doctor? >> i will tell you what we do here. this is what we do. you are treating the symptoms and not the actual ebola virus? >> there's no specific treatment for the ebola virus p it we are giving her the best care on a systemic basis. [inaudible] >> the question is does taking dr. brantley entrance using it into this patient, could it make a difference? the answer is absolutely yes. it could make a difference. dr. brantley has within his plasma antibodies against the ebola virus p it is theoretically and possibly likely practically true that
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that antibody had a role. we don't know that. that is one of the things i want to emphasize about this particular institution. that only do have the patient's welfare first, but we need to learn things for other patients. we will try as best as we can to learn something. the theoretical answer is it could have made a difference. reporter: [inaudible] as you know and you have heard, there are a variety of symptoms that have to do with ebola. there is diarrhea, vomiting, .ever, rash sometimes of there's organ system dysfunction. whatever those we deal with, we take care of it. there is no specific therapy that has been proven to be effective against ebola.
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that is my excellent medical care is critical. >> has she been able to give you insight on how she contracted the virus? >> we are trying to work that out now. that is part of the issue of the kinds of things me white -- might want to learn. comfortableake her and take care her for her. women get further information, if appropriate, we will make it known. [inaudible] >> the answer is no. we made ourselves available. one called upon, we accepted responsibility. she left a dallas in good condition. now you're describing her as in fair condition. describe the change. that we sawe things that we wanted to make sure we weren't miinyou might start seee
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in the status. stay tuned. we will give you updates as much as they can. >> are they still evaluating her or has she deteriorated? >> she came in and was stable. it ise give a level, based on what we see and we take care of it. it is highly likely that will change. she came in the middle of thet. for us, -- reporter: [inaudible] >> she is very fatigued. this is a virus that wreaks havoc on you. you could be getting better or have decrease in diarrhea and decrease in vomiting, but you are still very tired. this virus knocks you out. reporter: [inaudible] that.cannot predict this is a very unpredictable
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situation. we never make predictions until we have the patient walking out and talking to you and you could ask her that question. we do not do that. reporter: [inaudible] exactly isknow what meant, but we will certainly follow the lead of the president and others the secretary. reporter: [inaudible] >> i take care of patients and i do my job. reporter: [inaudible] >> there is no evidence whatsoever that this virus is airborne transmitted. everything we know about this virus is that it is direct contact with bodily fluids.
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we have mentioned them many times. vomit, diarrhea, blood, other body fluids. direct contact. reporter: [inaudible] the protectionat that we have and everything, it would include that. we're not doing it for that reason that we think it is respiratory. we don't. we are doing it for complete covering so there is no part of our doctors, nurses, or technicians bodies that are exposed when the go in and see the patient. we have a very strict system of getting dressed with someone watching you, going in, coming out, getting undressed with someone watching you. we have a limited amount of time when the person can be in the room so that they don't get fatigued. that's what keeps our health care workers safe. >> two more questions. >> dr. davey, can you be more specific, without violating confidentiality, why she's
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labeled in fair condition at this point? >> you have to remember as dr. fauci said, she's been under our care for less than 12 hours. we are taking a very conservative assessment at this point. as dr. fauci said, if the situation changes or we have more time to evaluate her, that situation may be upgraded. we'll see. >> absolutely. >> she's in isolation and vincent is in isolation, we hear about this third health care worker and believe now been isolated. in light two of the three health care workers at that are in isolation -- a one a cruise ship and one an airplane. perspective
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[inaudible] >> i'm going to tell you something about ebola and i'm not going to specifically answer your question about who went where on what transportation. if a person is a symptomatic and body fluids that someone could come into contact with, that person is not infected. our person is in isolation because she has a confirmed diagnosis of ebola. she's not only in isolation. you might equate isolation of ebola person and putting someone who has not got ebola that you're observing. those are two different concepts. she is where she is because she is sick and she needs care. reporter: [inaudible] much does it cost to take care of her and who will take
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care of the costs? >> this is a research hospital. and i'm going to give dr. gallin a chance. everything is free. why don't you explain this. >> when i said there's no other hospital like it, we've never billed a patient for anything. we will travel them here if they need money. we'll house them or their family when they're here for free. and we never send a bill. so this patient will never be charged for anything. the public pays $402 million a year to run this hospital through the generosity of the taxes. we manage that budget. reporter: [inaudible] >> first of all, let's be
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correct. she is in isolation. but she has almost continual person to person contact. we have nurses going in, doctors going in, we can speak to her. she has her ipad, all of the things she's got person to person. when we say isolation, let it be clear this isn't a torture chamber. this is an individual who is constantly being cared for, cheered up, our nurses are spectacular. and they do that all the time. >> has she expressed any fear about her own position? we know there has been a deadly virus. has she voiced a worry about her own prognosis? >> she's a trooper, very brave. i think it would be unrealistic someone would not be worried. one more question. reporter: [inaudible]
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>> john? >> her mother and her sister are in the area. >> sorry, but we have to go upstairs for another meeting. thank you for being here. we appreciate it. thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] secretary kerry says the world needs to have more protective equipment to disaster sites. we are privileged in washington and the united states to have here one of the most distinguished diplomatic corps posted anywhere in the home. few cities are home to so many ambassadors with so much experience, which is why you come here. so much global expertise and influence, frankly.
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so that's why coming together here this morning really does represent a special opportunity to deal with this moment. meeting this crisis is going to require that we draw on each other's collective experience. and our collective capacities. no one country, no individual group of nations is going to resolve this problem by themselves. this is going to take a collective, global response, all hands on deck. that's the only way to get it done. we believe that coming together here this morning can be an important beginning and really creating the kind of global response necessary. i know you don't need me to tell you what we are up against. i'm sure you have heard it from your own capitals. every time you turn on the television or the radio you hear or see gripping scenes that tell us in real terms about this challenge.
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there's to way to describe the scenes from west africa other than just heart wrenching. gut wrenching. and the images of a pregnant woman being turned away from a hospital and she's on the verge of collapse. or of men and women dying on the streets. there are children orphaned and a lot of hopeful nations working to plant the seeds of prosperity and open societies now suddenly battling a brutal epidemic. so it's not just the suffering that we see or the potential risks that we face at that make
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this a different kind of crisis for us as diplomats. we live in a world of a lot of close calls, tough decisions on a daily basis. difficult and contentious issues where you can have an honest disagreement about what the best course of action is or about what the facts are or the results of your decision may be. ebola is not one of them. it should not be contentious with respect to the facts or what is needed or how we proceed. we know the risks. we know the science. we know the medical certainties. we know what is required to beat back this epidemic. and right now we know that this is a time for nothing less than brutal honesty with each other about what we need. in both the capabilities that we need in order to meet this crisis and the real ways on the ground and the kinds of cash
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contributions, yes, cash contributions, that we need to fund these efforts for the months to come. and the fact is we haven't begun yet to fully meet the challenge at hand. so there are specific needs that we can meet right now. we need 200 flat bed trucks and 350 so-called soft skinned vehicles for transport of aid and resources. we need more helicopters and capable crews who can get to work right away. we need more mobile laboratories, treatment centers, and beds. we need more incinerators and more generators. most of all, we need more of the courageous health care workers that we see making an incredible contribution right now on the
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ground, and we need to do everything that we can to provide these men and women the protective equipment and the treatment that they need. we know the things that we can do and need to do. we know even in the cases of texas, for instance, we know that protocols are perhaps not followed in some instance or another, so there are ways, because we have plenty of people working who are treating people who are not getting it. and plenty of people who have been surrounding and around it who don't get it. so the fact is that you have to come in contact. and as long as you can make certain that that is not happening during those critical periods of incubation, there are ways to contain this. as president obama has said repeatedly, we approach this with humility.
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we approach this with a huge sense of purpose. but we know that no matter what we do we are not going to be able to do it alone. we are proud of the fact at that we have contributed $258 million most recently and we are also delivering support in some very unique ways that only the u.s. military can provide. that's why we are sending as many as 4,000 troops to the region. and that's why we are allocating up to one billion more for our armed forces for this purpose. and that's why we are creating 17 ebola treatment units and providing support right now for the mobile laboratories and the communications infrastructure. we are using every instrument of american power in order to try to get this job done. and as many of you know, i have been making a number of phone calls each day to my counterparts from your countries in order to encourage concrete steps.
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we have been raising this issue in every single bilateral meeting that i have, but we know that nothing that one, two, three countries do together is going to solve it. we have to all be engaged in this. there is no country that is exempt from being able to do something to be able to contribute to this effort and help make a difference. and everything we do depends on how we coordinate our efforts as partners and how we contribute together. already we are seeing nations large and small stepping up in impressive ways to make a contribution on the frontlines. timor or less has donated $2 million. cuba, a country of just 11 million people, has sent 165 health professionals and it plans to send nearly 300 more. we want to thank france for committing 70 million euroand for their response in guinea where they have taken on special responsibilities.
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we want to thank the united kingdom for the ebola treatment units they are building in sierra leone, and germany has significantly stepped up its efforts, including offering their facilities to treat health care workers. the european union is organizing medevac capacity and contributing 140 million euro, and the world bank and i.m.f. have committed more than $678 million. the african union is moving to send trained emergency responders to west africa. no matter what we have already committed, it is clear every one of us, that we have to do more and we have to do it quickly. so of the one billion in needs that are estimated by the u.n.,
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i regret to say we are barely a third of the way there. if we don't adequately address this current outbreak now, then ebola has the potential to become a scourge like h.i.v. or polio that we will end up fighting, all of us, for decades. we shouldn't kid ourselves. winning this fight is going to be costly. it is going to take all of our efforts. and it is not risk free. nobody knows that better than the health care workers on the frontlines right now. whatever the differences there are between us in this room on
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one issue or another, on one attitude or another, the fact is everyone i know respects and admires the courage of any health care worker who is undertaking this challenge. so let's make sure that those health care workers aren't hanging out there by themselves. let's make sure that we are pulling together the resources, the equipment, the commitment, the cash to support their efforts. let's make sure that their courage is motivating us every step of the way. for these men and women to succeed, they need nothing less than hour full commitment, which is why we have asked you to come forward here today. this is a matter of real people, real lives, in countries that were beginning to take off. countries that were beginning to see the future and feel it.
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>> others have cordon off part of the pentagon parking lot after the woman became sick and she had traveled in africa. again, she was tested at a hospital and was determined she does not have ebola. >> the white house announced today that president obama is ain who has been former chief of staff to vice president biden and headed out gore's recount in the florida election. the white house press secretary today says he will start in his new job soon. no exact date has been set. >> be part of c-span's campaign 2014 coverage, follow us on twitter, like us on facebook to get video clips of key moments and debate previews from our
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politics team. c-span is bringing over 100 senate house and governor debate spirit you could share your reactions to what the candidates are saying. the battle for control of congress. his in touch and engage by following us on facebook and twitter. florida's republican rick scott is facing a challenge from former governor charlie crist. when they debated earlier, governor scott initially declined to walk on stage. here is a look. havedies and gentlemen, we an extremely peculiar situation right now. we have governor charlie crist. [applause]
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florida governor rick scott, our incoming governor and the republican candidate for governor, is also in the building. governor rick scott, we have been told that governor scott will not be participating in this debate. now let me explain what this is all about. governor crist has asked to have a small fan placed underneath the podium. the rules of the debate that i was shown by the scott campaign .ay that there should be no fan somehow there is a fan there and for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that not join ustt will for this debate. boos]
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ladies and gentlemen, this is a debate. do not know, what can we say? that is the most [inaudible] i have heard in my life. [applause] wow. it is. i'm sad that people in florida will not get to hear the hope of the future. >> i'm asking rosemary about the situation that we find ourselves in. >> governor chris, do the rules of the debate say that or should be no fan? >> not that i'm aware of. >> the rules that the scott campaign showed us that no electronics can be used include fans? >> arianna talk about this --
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are we done a talk about a fan or the environment and the future of our state? i mean really. [applause] there are serious issues facing our state. we need to talk about education and protecting our environment and make issue have at the coal and honest leadership. if he is going to give it to me, i will take it. >> this is not a platform for one candidate. we are hoping that governor rick scott will join us on the stage. i'm told that governor scott will join us on the stage. in all fairness, i was shown a copy of the rules that said there would be no fans. >> very strange.
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>> my understanding is that governor scott will be coming out. have you ever seen anything like this? >> no, i haven't. ais is remarkable of such trivial issue. >> it an awkward situation of having to decide this. i don't think it will roll. [applause] >> thank you. ladies and gentlemen, that has to be the most unique beginning to any debate. >> i do not think we will forget ed. >> let us start. >> you can watch a rest of the
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debate on the c-span video library. go to you'll find more than 100 other debates from house, senate, and governor races around the country. tonight at 8 p.m., debate from wisconsin were republican governor rick scott is -- a scott walker is seeking reelection against maryborough -- mary burke. burke lied about her job's plans. turned out it was plagiarized. now she is at it again, recordng scott walker's on jobs. attacks that are false. it is not the first time. wisconsin ranked third in missed midwest job burke.ot trust mary >> he made a pledge. >> new jobs.
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>> and asked her to hold him to it. us to hold him to it. was content lacks behind most of the country when it comes to job growth. >> those 25,000 jobs? not even close. broken promises. scott walker is not working for you. >> it has been called the lie of the year. >> if you like your health care plan, you could keep your health care plan. >> mary burke supported. >> it doesn't mean the government will type which doctors to go to or which plans to have. burke says she still supports obamacare unequivocally and wants to expand it. wisconsin cannot afford mary burke. >> period. end of story. >> you know who had a good idea
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about taxes? ronald reagan. surprised you, did and i? you know who had a bad idea? governor walker. he did just the opposite. cutting taxes for the wealthiest and raising them on wisconsin families. it isn't just bad economics, it is wrong. poll from a university law school shows the wisconsin governor's race is in a dead heat with each candidate and 40% . we will have that debate between incumbent republican scott walker and democratic challenger mary burke starting at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span. >> the part of c-span's campaign 2014 coverage, follow us on twitter, like us on facebook to
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get schedules, video clips, debate previews. c-span brings you senate, house, and governor debates. you could instantly share your reactions to what the candidates are saying. stay in touch to and engaged by following us on twitter at c-span and liking us on facebook. next on c-span come a debate from the incumbent is running for a third two year term. debate featured seven candidates. >> welcome to vermont pbs candidate debates, with all candidates on the ballot able to participate. tonight, the candidates for governor of vermont.
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here is moderator stewart ledbetter. >> good evening, and welcome to our biennial debate featuring candidates for governor of our state. news channel 5 and host of "vermont this week." we have invited all seven candidates whose names appear on the ballot to be with us today, and all seven have joined us. in alphabetical order from left to right they are, peter diamondstone, chris ericson, dan feliciano, scott milne, bernie peters, an independent, emily peyton, an independent, and peter shumlin is the nominee of the democratic party this year. our format is straightforward. i asked the question, everyone gets a minute to respond.
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if needed i might ask one or more to rebut, but we will try to keep things moving. our timekeeper is sitting at my right. we will have time for a closing statement as well. questions from vermont pbs viewers, and in our studio we have high school and college students from across vermont participating. we welcome them, too. let's begin. some of you are well known to the people of our state. many of you, i daresay, are not. why do you begin by telling us a little about yourself and how you have prepared for the top political office in the land? mr. diamondstone? >> i am a revolutionary nonviolence socialist. i'm a secessionist. i am a member of the american legion, a member of veterans for peace. i've lived in vermont from was 50 years. my spouse and i reside in brattleboro. all four of my children and most of my grandchildren live in lincoln county.
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a couple have moved away, but most still live at home, in the county. as a revolutionary socialist, i have to tell you that most of what we have to discuss tonight will not be relevant for me, because most of what i will be talking about is how we overturn what is destroying our society and our environment, which is capitalism. represented, i guess, by this bottle of water on my table here. >> thank you. ms. ericson? >> when i was a child i thought vermont was the garden of eden.
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it was beautiful. you could drink from the streams. lake champlain was perfect and clear and beautiful. during my married years i lived in los angeles. one time i was riding the bus across los angeles, a 12 mile trip from santa monica to downtown l.a., and an old lady set next to me and said, look out the window. that used to be all wheat fields and orange groves. when my husband died and i moved back to vermont in 1995, i was determined that would not happen to vermont. and we have got to stop things. stop the f35 strike fighter jets from being based year, and stop the natural gas pipeline from being built underneath lake champlain. thank you. >> mr. feliciano? >> i am dan feliciano. a father, a husband, a veteran. i have three children. i live here in essex, and i was determined to get into the debate because my wife and i were having a conversation. now that our son is 16, we have to think about what to do
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differently, because he will be leaving and never coming back. the prospects for a young person in vermont are horrible. and i thought i needed to do something about this. i have a background in health care and a background turning around and fixing large government agencies as well as large businesses. and i felt that my skills would be applicable to turning the state around and doing things to make the state more affordable to my family, providing better health care, reducing property taxes, and providing school choice that so many young parents you're in for. -- yearn for. >> thank you. mr. milne? >> my name is scott milne. i'm a third-generation, born in vermont -- take that back, i was born in brooklyn, and about 90 days after i was born my dad was in law school and my mom was a new yorker. i loved vermont.
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i moved back to vermont in the mid-1980's to take over a small part of a family business. that business was located in hampshire. because of the gratitude i felt toward vermont because of the love i have for vermont, i chose to live on the vermont side of the border. to bring my family up in vermont. to be closer to my parents and the folks i grew up with. but what i saw over the last 30 years is a continuing difference between new hampshire and vermont. the effect of tax policies and government on the ability of people to prosper. that has drawn me into this race, and i feel i will offer a good voice for people who choose to support me. >> mr. peters? >> my name is bernie peters.
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i have been married for 47 years. veteran. retired from the transportation agency. i did construction all my life. i have been watching politics for quite some time, and i'm really kind of disappointed. that's why i am running. it has got to the point where what i see, whichever party is in power is not working for the vermonter. neither party seems to realize when they say they are working for the party, they are not working for the party. they are working for the taxpayer and the voter. they are the people who are boss, not the other way around, and it is time for somebody to go back and work for the people, answer these questions, solve these problems. and all it takes is a lot of common sense and hard work from everybody. thank you. >> ms. peyton? >> my name is emily peyton, from the lower part of the state in putney. i am an earth activist. we live in incredible times. your generation will be facing serious predicaments.
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i consider myself what is known as a light worker. why i'm in the race is to bring forth very exciting solutions, hopeful solutions you have to make the earth a livable place, a place for you can drive. often the solutions are not being discussed by the two-party system. that's why i'm here, to talk about economic systems that can allow us to laterally grow the economy. and things we can do to honor the earth and live in harmony with each other and our natural world. >> thank you. finally, peter shumlin? >> i have had the privilege of serving as your governor the
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last four years. i was born in putney, the first governor since dean davis who was born and raised in this state. my brothers and sisters live and work in vermont. i have raised two beautiful daughters in the state. i love vermont more than anything. iran for governor because after building successful businesses in vermont, employing vermonters, i felt i wanted more students, more young people to have the same opportunity i have had in this state. every day i focus on helping to build jobs, economic opportunity, improve the quality of life, and make this a state where our kids can stay and work and thrive. we have had great successes. i'm asking you for two more years to continue the work we have begun. >> thank you. a lot of issues in this campaign, but a couple certainly
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rise to the top. let's begin with health care. the state has struggled to implement the formal care act. the website tonight is off-line. there are many questions about whether we can proceed, how rapidly, to a single-payer system in base by the governor. we heard polling that vermonters are deeply divided on this. i would like you to clarify your opinions. >> i have come out strongly against single-payer. vermont health connect, which is separate, demonstrates the ineptness of the government. i think going to a single payer system does not drive down the price of health care. i would propose opening up the market place to more insurers. you will have a multitude of payers that would compete on premium for your business. i would focus on helping health care organizations, the patients and insurers, to implement a solution that would tackle the cost of health care. 75% of health care costs are from chronic illness and disease, and single-payer does nothing to address that. i'm against the single-payer system. free-market systems work best.
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you take your doctor, your hospital, your insurance. >> how does that sound to you? >> it won't surprise dan that we have different views on health care. as someone who wants to create jobs in vermont, i can tell you that the biggest obstacle to income growth in vermont and job growth is the ever rising cost of health care. what universal access would do for vermont is two things. first, move from a system literally spending 20 cents on every dollar vermonters make, move to a system that reimburses
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for outcomes and quality of care instead of quantity of care. i want to move to a system where every vermonter is healthy because they are a resident of vermont, not because of how lucky they are or where they work. finally, a system that is affordable, universal, and publicly financed. this will help contain costs and move vermont to a more affordable state as well as create jobs. >> thank you. mr. diamondstone? >> i support single-payer as a
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second line. .he enterprise all workers who are provided would be on community payrolls. that's socialized medicine. competition is very, very wasteful. in industry and business. >> thank you. mr. milne, your plans for health care reform? >> first of all, i disagree with peter shumlin. unfortunately for vermonters, especially for the folks who
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believe this is what i would call a reckless march toward single-payer, who believed this would be a solution for us. almost four years in, the number one priority has turned out to be his number one failure. this is a program we were sold as revitalizing our economy, create jobs, get us back on track, do all these great things for health care. almost four years into it, we have a technology system that is a disaster. we have median household income in vermont dropping 2% last year. we have 3000 more people in poverty than the year before. if this is going to fix our economy, it clearly is not doing it. single-payer is dead. no possible way it will happen by 2017. i will tell you that now. i think peter will wait until he is governor to tell you that. >> ms. ericson? >> i will put out a statewide referendum and give voters a choice.
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up to 10%, say how much of your total annual income would be fair to pay as a tax for health care to pay for public health care clinics and public health care hospitals, which would be no cost when you use them because you have paid for them with your tax? just like a public school. you don't pay an extra insurance when you send your kid to school. you are to pay for it by tax. and anybody not satisfied with the public health care clinics and hospitals paid for by taxes would buy their own insurance. but i would make certain that all insurance companies can sell their products in vermont. no more monopolies. >> thanks. ms. peyton? >> i would like to deal with the root causes of ill health. we need to look at financial stress, that there isn't enough money for people to participate in the economy, the types of ill health that causes. we also really need to create as pristine an environment as
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possible. we ought to ban monsanto, and understand that cleane clean-air, clean water, are why we are so healthy. those are our treasures. as far as dollars we spend in health care, some of those, they ought to go to the healers, the doctors. we ought to look carefully where we are supporting a medical industry, a big pharmaceutical industry that really wants people to be sick. as far as dollars we spend in health care, some of those, they ought to go to the healers, the doctors. we ought to look carefully where we are supporting a medical industry, a big pharmaceutical industry that really wants people to be sick. we need to make differentiations, and i believe we are to make sure anybody can go to the doctor.
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i don't think we should support profits of industry invested in sickness. >> thank you. mr. peters, how would you proceed with health care reform? >> i think right now we find out a lot of ideas to other states to cure our problems, and we have nothing to show for it. we spent millions, and have nothing to show for it. if you are going to of health care, who needs to be involved? your doctors, your nurses, and guess who, the patient. everyone ever think to ask the patient what they might like to go along with everything else? as far as healthcare, we have some of the nicest schools on the east coast educating people. maybe we ought to let them do it as a school project. we could probably get good ideas from all the good schools we have in the state of vermont.
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>> thanks. he called you reckless, mr. shumlin. how do you respond to that? it makes it sound as if you have been irresponsible about pushing this agenda that is so divisive? >> vermonters i hear from would rather hear a candidate talk about what they would do as governor than call other candidates names. so i'll stay away from that. what concerns me, the biggest threat to job growth is the rising cost of health care. if health care costs grow at the same rate of last decade, that number doubles. that's why i'm so intent on getting this right. universal health care system where we contain costs, reduce cost for business. the rest of the world has figured out how to do this. we can, too. it takes courage to get it right. i believe we must.
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>> mr. milne, you have said it is dead in 2017, but is there a future in which you would say yes? >> thank you for the question. i got into this campaign, one of the promises i made was, a, i will always listen before i act, and we need to listen to what is practical versus some political agenda, which i would argue is what has gotten us where we are with health care. if we get through figuring out what we will do going forward, 2015 will be a year for cost benefit analysis, if the exchange does work. five years down the road, if things look great and other states have been successful with single-payer or some sort of government run health care, i am more than happy to do it. but it will be based on facts. >> let's be honest here, right? the economy has been stagnant, pete. it has not grown. if you were so concerned about
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the economy growing you would start reducing health care costs. prison healthcare costs are the second highest in the country. if you want to demonstrate you could cut costs, you would have proven the inmate system would be the place to start. you have not done that. >> anybody else want a final word should we bring in our student audience? >> we ought to have used the money we spent on the health connect website, we are to have given it to champlain college. because we have the intelligence here, and we are to contract within state as a way to build our economy. >> last word? >> you can't finance this in any way other than an increase in taxes, and that has to come from decoupling from the federal income tax with all the loopholes built in it, so we can
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now tax the wealthy who are currently paying less than their fair share. see how much social security tax they pay for on their earnings on dividends and interest in bonds. >> final word? >> the problem was, you have no lemon law phrase in your contract. if you had a lemon law phrase and the website did not work out, you could have said, give us the money back. >> we had some of vermont's finest high school and college students, and some have questions. the first concerns college tuition in this state. go ahead. >> colleges in vermont are not appealing to vermonters and students around the world because they are expensive. how will you lower tuition and
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attract students? >> start with mr. peters. >> good question. + schooling has always been very expensive in the state. it takes the biggest amount of tax dollars. something that takes a lot of tax dollars is really hard to change. it will have to be examined closely. the total answer, i cannot give it to you right now because that is a question for how long school tuition, school tax -- it is still a problem. it will take new, serious get-together from the legislators and senators. they know what's happening. they could help cure this problem if they really wanted to. >> mr. feliciano? >> my uncle's president of a college in new york city. we had a conversation about what
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has taken place in academia. one of the problems we're seeing is students are not prepared when they go into college, so that adds an incredible cost burden upfront to the student going into college, to get them ready to take college courses. we need to make sure our primary education system is doing a good job of preparing our students to move into the academic world. we need to have a different approach. you need to think differently. which classes are you going to take? which make sense to you? i went to college as an adult. i dropped out of high school, then went back to college. i started at community college, lower cost, more amenable to what i had to do. so the choices we have to make -- of course, education is expensive -- we have to look at what is driving the costs. we will look at that. >> all right. ms. peyton, how do we lower college tuition costs? >> we can do tuition service exchanges. where we need health care professionals, we can give them the tuition.
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i think anyplace we are contracting for sending contracts out-of-state, we have to be training people within the state. there debt-free methods of education. then we need a system of accrediting that learning. there is a university online called the people's university that is a debt-free system. along with that and increasing food independence by giving people your age land to make us food secure. we need to do these things, and we can. i wish i had longer to tell you all the things we can do. >> i think the state of vermont gives something like $44 million a year to the university of
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vermont. that is an outrage. university of vermont is a private for-profit college, and they raise the tuition every year because they did greedier and greedier. the state of vermont should not be giving one penny to a private for-profit college. the money should go to the state colleges. for that $44 million a year we could have free online college courses. >> mr. shumlin? >> this is one of the great challenges vermonters are facing, the affordability of college. with all the money we spend on education, we have not moved the needle one bit in terms of moving first generation students
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beyond high school. you cannot succeed if you don't move past high school. the first thing i have done, early college dual enrollment, which allows any high school student in vermont to get one year of free college in the state while they are in high school, taking college accredited courses in high school or in one of our nine participating colleges. we have made it possible through my vermont scholars program, if you stay in vermont and work for five years, we will pay for an entire year of college tuition if you do it in a field where we need you, or an entire semester for an associate degree. in a state with one of the lowest unemployment rates in america, our employers need trained workers. this is the key to get there. more vermont students moving beyond high school. i am proud of the progress we are making. >> mr. milne, how does that sound to you? >> sounds like the same old story of trust me and elect me, and i will do something different. nobody has been able to take
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advantage of the two years of free college peter has been talking about on the campaign trail. the fact that vermont is 49, maybe 50 in the country in level of support fo colleges is something we should be ashamed of as a state. if you look at the young people in the audience. my father was able to work as a bus boy in lake george and park cars at night, and came out of school with no debt. i was able to pay for most of my college. now we see kids coming out of college with massive debt. we need to be more generous for folks in vermont who want to stay in vermont colleges. >> this issue of paying to go to school begins with an absurdity.
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if you accept it, you have accepted the absurd. we should be paying people to go to school. every economist, from the far left to the far right agrees that the level of education is part of its wealth. if someone goes to school and learns, they should be paid. what do you call someone who gets room and board for their work? slaves. half the wage, fully half, is ripped off from them by the capitalists who own the industry. we start with a rip off systemic and every part of our society that has to be corrected.
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not just the education part. people should be paid to go to school. >> do you have any idea how much it would cost? >> it does not matter. once we changed to a system that is socialist in the economy, people have money to spend because they have not been ripped off. >> you are watching gubernatorial television. we have all seven candidates here in the studio and an audience of college and high school students in our audience. our next question plays off those themes and concerns the economy and wages that have proven stagnant for the last five years or six years. we hear that unemployment and vermont is lower than many states, but it has started to climb up and to the census bureau tells us that so has the number of our citizens living in poverty. what would you do to improve the
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wages in the state? >> one of the first things that we need to do is change the town -- tone from the top in the governor's office. i believe vermont has strengthened its reputation as not being a business-friendly state over the last four years. there are many examples i can cite. businesses will realize that dollars open, and let's give vermont a try. we need to do tax incentives to stimulate business. we need to move forward with the robust revitalization of our economy. >> first, i want to correct the
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facts. facts are difficult to refute. we have the lowest unemployment rates. when i go out and talk to employers, which i do all the time, they tell me we need more trained workers. the way to grow jobs, -- this recovery has been spotty. americans have not seen that the type of growth that we wish. we have more work to do. balancing the state budget, i have now done it four times. we have increased the number of paved roads -- poorly paved roads. we cut that in half.
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we need workforce retraining. we're succeeding in moving more folks into a prosperous future if we get them beyond high schools. finally, healthcare. nothing kills jobs more than the ever-increasing rate of healthcare. >> how would you improve wages in the state? i would start by overhauling so that people could get paid a fair wage. pharmaceutical is a good place to start. ibm is a good place to start. but to continue to talk about adding jobs even at a higher levels is part of a rip off.
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it says make more money so the capitalists can take more money from you. it does not say make more so you can keep it. we need to completely convert to a socialist system of manufacturing, production, and distribution. including in healthcare. >> miss payton, how do you improve wages in the state? >> i was thrilled when the occupied movement happened. i thought finally, everybody got it. the major banks are problematic for our company. they are waging economic war against us. the answers come in how can we create a monetary system so that the economy starts from the ground. investing in micro-business. making sure we're contracting within state.
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to have a vermont branding, where our brand is that the quality of our craftsmanship is as high as swiss and german standards. things that are made to last. we can circulate money from the ground up. trickle down economics do not work. we need to latter lies our economy. i will leave my website up so you can learn more. >> vermont is not business friendly, businesses cannot afford to pay wages that they would like to. students need to know why. vermont is not business-friendly because the state and federal government are passing laws saying that administrative officials may make rules and regulations. the federal government, u.s. congress, and state legislature
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are passing laws that are like blank homework papers. it is the equivalent of letting the janitor fill them in. they say administrative officials who are not elected officials can make rules. they get wined and dined by lobbyists, but that is not reported because they are not elected officials or candidates. >> the economy is not very good in the state of vermont. you have got to make business come to you. you cannot have all of these rules and regulations where it takes 10 years to set a business up. if a business wants to set up, that when a higher people, they want to get into business. if you have to go through a process that takes all of these years, they're not going to come. we're like roadkill on the interstate.
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we are spending thousands of dollars to educate our young people. everybody else gets the benefit of the money we invested in our young people. that is bad when the money you put to educate your kids goes somewhere else. there are waiting because we do not want to tow up and do what we are supposed to. >> as the governor just said, we have expensive healthcare. high taxes. we have high education costs are on your watch. if we cut spending, we can reduce tax, that will give businesses an incentive to grow. we need to ease some of the legislation which creates a spike where businesses cannot grow. with high taxes preventing growth.
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we have act 250 which prevents expansion in the local area. if we focus in on cutting spending, reducing health-care costs, and producing a more stable environment, it will create an incentive for businesses to grow, and more opportunities. i am not sure if it is a salary issue, but i think it is more of a spending issue. once we cut costs, which i am promising to do, we will have a growing economy again. >> we would like to bring some of our e-mail questions that viewers have submitted the -- this evening. there is one about climate change. scientists have warned that carbon emissions from burning
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fossil fuels are causing climate change. i don't think we can move fast enough on climate change. quickly.o move thatis why i am so proud we have quick the number of solar panels. we are harvesting the wind. -- drms of to vesture ivestiture is, not the sharpest tool we have a nature or. in thevidual or. --
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drawer. my view is that it is not the sharpest tool we can use. as you know it is not a simple responsibility. i have it as governor. we need to get the highest return we can on pension plans. there is a reason it is not as simple as it looks, but i will look at it. >> one good reason to have fossil fuels is to hedge our bets on renewable energy programs that lead to a industrial -- wind turbines across vermont and other things. the job of governors is to make choices. my choice is there is no need to
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look at divesting from those stocks right now. there are bigger problems. >> we need to do everything possible to ensure our accounts are generating revenue. right now, our retirement systems are $3 billion out of actuarial balance. we cannot afford to further increase that rate. i do not support that divesture from fossil fuel. coming back to spending, we have spent $600 million in subsidies for renewable energy. those renewable energy sources are only producing 2% at most of energy sources. we are spending money on the renewable stuff not doing anything for us.
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we need to pay back the retirement funds that are $3 billion in debt. >> i can definitely say those numbers are correct about subsidies. i have been educating about agricultural hemp, about holdings that use a quarter of the fuel. that is a hopeful way of dealing with the climate change. i think we should divest. we have been sending our young people to war for oil. we have the technology to get off oil. we have enough hydro in vermont if we reclaimed it. it would give us enough power. in my household, my partner just put in air-to-air heat exchangers. we're off of oil. we need to get off oil, look at solar roadways, we need to make our earth a priority. our relationship with the earth is how we're going to thrive in the future. i know we can do it.
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>> i think we should divest all capital investments and open a state bank so that all investments of pension funds, which i understand we are close to one billion behind in that too many can use that money to invest in vermont. we do not need to invest in big corporations to make money. we need to invest in vermont. the other thing is, capitalism not only rips off workers, but it rips off the planet. you are aware of fracking, and so on. those things are destroying our planet. we're messing in our own home. that has to stop, now. that means getting away from
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competition, which is wasteful. there is always a loser. there is always a bankruptcy. >> thank you very much. >> repeat the question please. >> do you think the states should divest their investment in fossil fuel companies? >> no. i know that they are hoping to use it to get money to have something to live on for retirement. as far as climate change, we lost a mountaintop so we could have green energy. then they took the energy credits and sold them to somebody who still pollutes. everybody made money, except the rate payer. hydro is the cheapest right now. when they talk about climate change, they act like the average person is to blame. corporations are doing a lot of
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damage. look at the air. look at our military. look at how much the military uses in fossil fuels. there is climate change, right there. >> various pension funds have been in the news in the past couple years, particularly with cities. if i'm elected governor, i will do a complete forensic examination of the pension funds to sue if there has been any fraud going on. it is something you cannot ignore. on climate change, we have fighter jets based in vermont. when they are flying, they give out nanoparticles of aluminum. that affects the climate. >> thank you. we're bringing in another student.
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you have a question about drug problem. >> do you think the existing penalties are doing enough about drugs? if not, what do you propose? >> i think it is very important that we look at our pharmaceutical and prescription drugs. we are overprescribing opiates. we have 95% of the prescription practices but only 25 percent of the population. we should reduce how many opiates our doctors are prescribing. we should replace them with other methods that are used around the world, including marijuana for pain. i know many people who have become hooked on heroin through oxycontin that has been described.
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we need to rein back our prescription practices and begin to look at hypnosis, meditation, marijuana, different methods of dealing with pain for starters. thank you. >> thank you. how do you feel? >> the candidate for attorney general for the liberty union party posted two days ago that the governor was given money to buy a new snowblower and that could have been used to build a new drug facility. peter, did you do that? >> is it my turn or yours? >> i am done. >> how do you feel about the aate possible? -- state's
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proach? we have drug dealers coming into the state and they are doing drugs to young kids. if you were in them at 13 years old, that will never be a productive citizen. yet take a drug dealer, and when you get him, you come down hard. you let it be known that if you come to vermont and you get caught, you do the time. we need judges and district attorneys. make it that they are so scared that the that will end part of your problem right there. >> i tend to go along with what emily said, while i think it is in the correct direction. it is not enough. i have a socialist libertarian view of this. on the socialist side, i say all
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drugs, whether it be contraband or heroin or whatever. you will notice that there was no heroin in the country when the taliban was in control if you use your head, you'll see why it is that those drugs get into this country. everybody ought to be able to take that they want and to get it from a government service and pay cost. because, if the government taxes it, that will leave a gap in which private enterprise can enter. the one thing we want to eliminate -- >> thanks. this is the one area that can really destroy vermont's area of life. heroin and opium addiction.
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vermont is a family focusing on this challenge. we're not doing enough. we have passed penalties to make it tougher for drug dealers to put this prison in our state. if they get arrested, they will do time. second, we have a law enforcement challenge. we are saying, that is not fair. we need to deal with it like the health-care crisis it is. vermont is leading the way in dealing with opium addiction by saying we are going to close the road. if you want to be a treatment center you can go to. if you get arrested, we will remove you out of denial and into recovery. we will say if you follow this plan, will move you back into a productive member of society. finally, we need prevention. we need to come together to
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figure out how to redo it with us on every street, every corner. we're going to make great progress. >> mr. feliciano. >> a lot of people look up to the governor. i think it is a good approach. i would not do anything differently right now. i am hopefully optimistic that the results will prove to be effective. i would not change it. i would like to see what the outcomes are. i know it is hard to say i agree with him, but on this one case, i do. >> i think it is also something that i applaud peter for. we could monday morning quarterback some of the nuances, but we need to follow the data
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and see what is going on. i do not think it is all a law enforcement issue. i do hear that people are moving to heroin from other drugs. if we can have an economy that is creating great jobs for young people, afforable education that keeps people engaged, and if we can get back to some of the more moderate ways of to the group vermont living, that would be a good and a blur. >> opiates are a big problem facing the department for children and families. there were the deaths of two young vermonters early in the year. lots of ideas for reforming the agency. what is the best idea you have heard so far, mr. feliciano? >> i am not sure if i have a good idea yet.
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we need to reorganize the whole structure so that the kids are getting these services. we need to protect children and our future vermonters. i have a special needs daughter. this is very close to me. i want to make sure kids are getting appropriate treatment, their families are treating them well, and we need to figure out by putting more people on the streets, more officials on the streets, and less in the statehouse to focus on the problem and make sure that when we find a potential case where children are being harmed, that we intervene appropriately and take the right action. that is the appropriate place to take action. ensuring that children are being protected. >> have you heard any good ideas?
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>> i have an excellent one. we increase community involvement with families in poverty. we need to circulate more money so that we do not have such poverty or half of a living wage. we can engage the community and mentorship. this is important for people in recovery who are coming out of the criminal justice system. people need to make new choices when they are making bad choices. in order to make new choices, they have to be around people who make the choices so they can understand how it is to make good choices. when we create a mentoring system, and coupling people,
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then we can engage the community and do some bartering or renumeration for that service. >> how do you feel about reforming the department of children and families? >> the best idea i came up with, and i do not want to make money out of a dire situation, but i believe that it the agency of human services is the biggest chunk of the state general fund. it needs a full-time governor that is going to be picking a man or woman to run that agency that will have a close working relationship with and really pay attention to details. we have all kinds of problems in the headlines all the time from the agency of human services. i attributed to a governor who is out of the state 25% of the time. he has not been paying attention
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to business. >> being governor is an extraordinarily tough job. one of the toughest things i have to do is governor is talk to the folks whose children were lost to these tragedies. we can debate whether it is harder to be a drug addict, or the child of a drug addict. no matter which tragedy, when these things happen or when adults do things to kids, it is almost always as a result of addiction. we have increased case workers working with each family. we have more caseworkers on the ground. no child can be reunified with their family without the sign-off of a supervisor. here is the point.
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these are the most difficult challenges imaginable. the last stop on the train. we've got to do better to protect vermont's kids with opiate addictions, heroin addictions, other addictions. it is a challenge but i am committed to doing better. more staff, better communication, more transparency, better service to vermonters. >> prayers to the families who have lost children, is sad. the spirits of children is also being broken. 30 adults were arrested. the photographs were put around town. store owners put up signs saying "not in our town." people who were arrested and had their names plastered around, they were pre-trial detainees.
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not convicted. think of the children. their spirits were broken. now, springs of-vermont, you walked downtown and store after store is closed. go to the plaza, radioshack is out of business. friendly's is out of business. when you humiliate and demean a town, that does not help. >> we have an obsession with violence. killing all over the world. we are bombing people whenever we feel like it. the people who are injured in our battlefield are the dead and injured, whether they are adults or otherwise. when i use that expression, i do not think we should let anybody
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into the military who is under the age of 26 years old. that should be the dividing line. it affects both the environmental issue, right to the top. 35 gallons to run a tank one mile. we have to stop the military. zero military budget. stop the bases. close the factories that build the equipment. ship it off to the zionist regime so it can defend itself against the gigantic gaza military. >> the question was about reforming the department of children and family services. >> more personnel. do we need more personnel or do we need more training for the ones we have. what should we be aware of? probably, a lot of the cases,
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people who went there and listen to them knew it was wrong, but their hands were so tired that could not do anything at that particular moment, which would've probably saved someone's life. the person who committed this probably should not have been around children. if they have a criminal record that bad, something bad is going to happen. the people check on them should not have their hands tied. they should be able to call the police or do something immediately. i think that probably would've saved a few people. >> a reminder that you are watching the gubernatorial debate. next week, candidates for lieutenant governor. in two weeks, candidates running for the u.s. house of representatives. we invite you to join us each thursday night this month.
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we have in our studio high school and college students, some of whom have questions for our candidates. >> today's economy, an alternative to food stamps have been created. in electronic benefits transfer cards. the legitimacy has been questioned. what do you think would make them be more effective? should vermont look for other options? >> i believe, if i was governor, if people are working, people are paying out of social security to support people who do not want to work, that to you should not be able to buy alcohol, tobacco, or lottery tickets from what is giving to
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you for what you're supposed to be using to take care of yourself and your family. if someone is working to support themselves, you should not be able to learn more if you are not working. if you're not earning your money, and someone else's earning a salary, you should not have all of the good things, and they should not be going without. >> to each according to need, from each according to abilities. that should be the catchword, the watchword of what we do. you can do it with $1000 a month, you can do it anywhere you want. it will need to make sure that everybody has the minimum standard they need for shelter, clothing, education. when i first went to college, it cost me $10 per semester. when i came back from the army, i had to pay $10 per point. boy, was i angry.
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we need to understand that education is part of the essentials of life, along with clothing and shelter. we should be able to use that, we should be able to make adjustments. we need to tax the people at the top to pay for it. they do not pay their fair share of taxes. let's make them pay their fair share in vermont. if that does not work, we should secede and do it that way. >> i would like to germinate an idea. money is simply an accounting system. right now, it is a system rigged by the wealthy. welfare system is keeping people in a state of helplessness by suggesting they are so helpless. i want to see an exchange.
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where we are giving people welfare dollars, they need to be giving back in some way. and we need a livable wage. not just a minimum wage. not having enough money to pay their heat and car. most of our problems are caused by enforced poverty of too little of an income. that is all i have time for. >> for people who need food stamps for families and individuals, they get so little they are not able to afford enough vegetables and fruits. that is a problem. low income people are overweight and obese, many of them, and it costs taxpayers more because there are more muscular and doctor visits and diabetes and childhood diabetes because the cost of vegetables and fruits so
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high that people who need food stamps cannot afford vegetables and fruits. so if they take a couple of the food stamp dollars to buy a lottery ticket, maybe what they want to do is win the lottery so they can afford foods and vegetables. >> i would like to separate this into two issues. there are people who, for one reason or another, cannot work. we're not going to throw vermonters out on the street. we want them to live a decent life if it is no fault of their own. i think there is some abuse in the system. what we need to do is create more jobs. i keep coming back to, if we cut spending, lower property taxes, if we do a better job in our
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school systems, people will have opportunities to grow and learn. opportunities to earn. that is what we need to do. >> thank you. >> i agree that the society needs to take care of people who are least able to take care of themselves. the elderly, the young, those are need help for a short time in their lives. but there are a lot of big problems in vermont as we look into the next millennium. $100 billion deficit. we need to resurrect a working system with an economy that is in the take. my understanding is that the food stamps and the electronic funds transfer system is federally regulated. my priority list would be to talk about the federal issue.
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we do not want to lose track of taking care of those who need help. >> let me talk about what we have done. we have taken the card and made it possible for vermonters to buy food at farmers markets in vermont. good, wholesome, grown by local farmers. getting food grown locally by farmers into the folks using cards. we do not want to leave anyone behind. when i became governor, who are the only state you could stay on welfare, on assistance, for more than five years. my job is to make sure we're moving people from assistance to work. we put an end to that. we got rid of the five year requirement. we are training vermonters through work through our labor department. despite the doom-and-gloomers,
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vermonters have jobs. i have made it possible for the card to be used in farmers markets. it is a process that will serve us going forward. someone mentioned the hundred million dollar budget gap, we don't know exactly where the number is going to be yet, but this is a question for everyone. if you are in the governor's chair, could you accept any revenue increase when would it all be spending cuts? >> thank you. the question is a little bit backwards. how did we get into the situation? four years of the rate of spending led by our governor, about three times the rate of
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the growth of revenue. we have a governor who brags that he is not raised the income tax, has not raise the sales tax, yet behind the curtain there are all kinds of gimmicks going on. there is a continuing cost shift from other tax sources to property taxes. that is what has created the crisis of affordability that we need to figure out. i do not see big spending cuts as a solution. we need to manage government intelligently and get back on track. there are some opportunities to be smart with our spending money. >> i am proud to say that i have managed four consecutive deficit budgets without raising taxes on working vermonters. we are about to do another. the interesting thing about my opponent is he will never tell
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you how he was going to do it. he will just complain about what we have done. listen, i am proud of what we have done. we have picked priorities that are important. we passed the two biggest transportation budgets in the state. we drastically reduced inadequate roads, inadequate bridges. from 22% to 12% of our bridges. we have invested in property tax reduction by dedicating more of the sales tax to the education fund. we have secured our pension programs going forward by working with teachers to reduce long-term obligations. we have the best bond rating. aaa. because of the fiscal management we are employing. i am proud of bringing my
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business skills to state government to help manage the ability of vermonters to pay. and that has helped to grow jobs. >> higher taxes. we have that available, as you know. social security is not paid on gambling from stock market. 13% of the wealthy's income is free from that. dividend income. bond income and interest income is free from that. let's tax it in vermont. if the feds do not want to do that, that is the problem. the republicans and democrats can get together on so many things. all of them are together on sending weapons all over the world, including to the zionist government --
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>> may i add another element? we also need to look at our banking system. in every other question, we have a public and private element. in banking, where i was benefiting wall street up. we can take the benefit of our taxes and put it in a public bank, so that when we lend out the value goes back to our treasury. right now, we are supporting the tar sands. it is important to stop environmentally degrading.
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if we have a public reserve bank, we can circulate more money. we won't need as many of our government agencies. poverty is the reason we have so many governmental agencies. >> first of all, let us make marijuana legal and tax it. secondly, put back the rest areas on the highway that our current governor removed. heads up, peter, when people work for the state department of transportation, interstate 89, you can go 74 miles without a restroom. one man with diabetes, he told me he has the right to an reasonable accommodation. he needs to go to the bathroom once an hour, but he cannot because there is no restroom for 74 miles and he works with the state department of transportation.
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peter, you're going to face a big class-action lawsuit for closing down the rest areas and denying your own employees in the right to go to the bathroom. you are uncivilized. >> i think it is a combination of things. when i worked for the department of transportation, usually you have a budget. unless they changed it, if you do not spend all your money you did not get back. they cut you. there should be incentive program so any agency has zones money. not only that, i think the current fee is now, not taxes. i have paid a lot of fees lately. another thing, we have all kinds of skiing, all kinds of snow machines, and where do people go in vermont?
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they go out of state to gamble. we can have that in vermont. you got your skiiers, you've got everybody happy. most of all, the taxpayers because of taxes on that growing up. >> we definitely have to cut spending. our taxes are too high. our business environment is not as friendly as the governor would leave you to believe. our economy is not growing. that does not bode well for the young people. we need to cut and efficiency vermont. they are not doing much for vermont. i have had them to my property, they don't do much. we need it to stop this ridiculous single-payer that is only going to drive up cost and increase the cost of doing business in vermont.
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we need to create a more business-friendly environment. >> quickly, do you have a liability here with our lack of restroom facilities? >> we have actually been adding facilities. i cut the ribbon on one recently. there is a new and coming into the state. we're trying to add one in randolph. >> you lie. you took them out. >> i can assure that have been no restrooms taken away. >> we do not have a whole lot of time, but this next question will be 30 second answers. if you are elected governor, and you could, under cover of darkness sneak a law through the legislator that you would love to get passed, which would it
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be? >> none for me. that is the beginning of fascism. any law passed under darkness is the beginning of fascism. every transaction carried on by our government should be open. >> i would guess the repeal of one that was passed last january. the lakeshore protection act. that is the biggest land grab by the state. it is a land grab. >> act 48. we need to stop the single-payer scheme. we need to focus our energy on growing the economy and not putting a boondoggle in place. we have no chance of
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implementing a single-payer system. we do not have the skills to implement it as demonstrated by the poor implementation of vermont healthconnect. >> i like to make sure that every debate for public office includes every candidate. i have been running for three elections as an independent, other press have never run won article about my platform so that you know what i have to offer. i think it is important to reform government so we have a level playing field at our elections. >> no motor boats on lake champlain.
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one third of us draw their drinking water from that. lead is in our drinking water. secondly, no natural gas pipeline under the lake champlain. children can get killed swimming in lake champlain. number three, no more sewage in lake champlain. >> i would try to sneak in a line item veto for the governor. >> sounds like a great idea. >> did everybody get a shot? we're running short on time. we have seven candidates that we need to move along to closing statements. we will begin with you.
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>> this is probably the last time that i am going to be running, but i will leave my website up for anyone who wants to see the solutions i put up there. i want our people to think about what is more important to you. if you can have all the money in the world, or you could have all of the love in the world? which has more value? we have elevated money to a godlike status. it is just an accounting system. i urge the people of vermont to make your decision to improve the quality of loving in your life. the brotherhood and sisterhood, because it is the quality of the love in the community that gives a spiritual wealth. we are very spiritually wanting in this country. peace can be managed just as well can be managed with the appropriate monetary policy. we can grow and thrive.
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>> i want to touch on two things. [indiscernible] he would never go to a candidate forum unless all of the other candidates were invited. from 1981. there was one where he said, i will not come because you did not invite everybody else. i think this is what we should do on every incumbent. do not go unless everyone is invited. secondly, violence. violence to workers. violence to the planet. violence that we do to everybody all over the world. we need to stop spending our
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resources on that and reallocated to the better of the planet and the benefit of everybody living on this planet, because everybody is entitled to live. we need to make sure that everybody -- >> if you vote for me, i will do everything i can to get the fighter jets from the largest populated area of vermont. they are capable of carrying nuclear bombs. they are not safe to be used in a large population citizen area. if one job to crashes in lake champlain that would permanently destroy the drinking water for one third of the state. i will do everything i can to prevent a natural gas pipeline from being built underneath lake champlain. natural gas pipelines in the news for bursts, and explosions.
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this has got to stop. vote for me. >> dan feliciano, libertarian. >> i am a husband, father, i have a lot of skin in the game. i want vermont to be more prosperous. i am disappointed at our governor claiming all of these victories when the numbers do not justified. the governor keeps talking about the numbers and when you challenge him, he says let's not quibble about us. i am also disappointed that they republican standing next to me was not put forth a platform or plan. i am running because i think they need to have the single-payer system and cut costs. my background is in cutting spending and improving efficiencies in local and state governments as well as private industry.
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we need to cut property tax. we need to provide more school choice so younger families can generate more hope for their children. if you want someone who is going to make sure that vermont can't continue to grow, be more prosperous, and challenge the status quo by making bold statements and challenges, i am your candidate. >> i am asking for your vote on november 4. i am a candidate who is as grass-roots as you can get. i do not have business or corporations behind me. no one from out of state is behind me. i am a vermonter running for a vermont office for the vermont people. when you get money from out-of-state, how can you say that you are a vermont candidate? you are an out-of-state
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candidate, because you have non-vermont money behind you. it should be so much money for each one, and when it is gone it is gone. i believe i am the right candidate. it is time to get a person with common sense. >> it has been a huge privilege to serve as a governor for the past four years. i am asking for live vote for two more years. our great progress has been outlined tonight. we'll have more work to do. i ran for governor because i love the state more than anywhere else and i want to make the state a place where more young people can succeed, where we can grow jobs and have more opportunity and preserve unaware -- quality of life. when we wake up on the seventh, one of us will be governor. who your leader he is makes a
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huge difference for vermont. i am asking for live vote so we can continue the good work and we have more work to do. i hope you will give me your support. thank you for this privilege. >> our final closing statement. >> thank you, fellow candidates. i want to thank everybody for what i think has been a good, traditional vermont campaign. we're talking about issues and positive things. a shout out to the audience, it is great to see young people engaged. i have been engaged in politics since i was very young. i want to give a shout out to my mother, who died about one month ago. my mother ran for state legislature for the first time in orange county. she was handicapped, and underdog, they did not think she is going to get elected.
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the foundation of her legislative career and her life was "i am just naïve enough to believe i can make a difference ." she did make a difference. when i went to ask everyone here is to join me. being naïve to believe you can make a difference. decide who you want to support. and go vote. >> thanks to all of you for being with us tonight. that concludes our program. we invite you to join us here next thursday night with the candidates for lieutenant governor. we will be on the air at 8:00. the following week, the candidates for the u.s. house of representatives. tomorrow night, starting at 7:30.
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>> the c-span megacities to our .extbook tv on the road this weekend, we partnered with time warner cable fred visit to green bay, wisconsin -- for a visit to green bay, wisconsin. we are known as america's their elaborate as we make the most cheese and the best she's. known forwas homegrown cheese. it was recognized that we had an ideal environment for dairy cattle. cheese was just a way to take that perishable product that, before refrigeration, would only last three days. if you make cheese from it,
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cheddar cheese can last for a decade. 1880's, when the industry got started in wisconsin. the farmers would form a cooperative. they would build a cheese factory and hire a cheese maker, and the cheese maker would work for the cooperative. the cheesemakers tended to move around a lot. over 2000 cheese plants in wisconsin at one point, and the transportation and road system improved. there was consolidation among the smaller plants. that continued until about 1990, when there were only about 200 cheese factories in wisconsin. >> watch all of our evidence saturday onay on c-span2 and sunday on c-span3. now, more of the c-span campaign 2014 coverage, could you live to


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